Karl, Can You Help Me Get Off Methadone?

DEAR KARL,  

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFO ON MSM.  

I HAVE READ THE MAJORITY OF IT.  

AS REGARDS TO YOUR E-MAIL.  I AM IN THE PROCESS OF COMING OFF METHADONE ALTHOUGH SLOWLY,  2MLS.  EVERY 2MONTHS, I AM DOWN TO 30MLS.  BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN IS WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST FOR ME AT THIS PRESENT TIME. 

 

 ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE MSM AND METHADONE ARE CLASHING LEAVING ME IN A STATE OF CONSTANT WITHDRAWAL, AND THEREFORE DEFEATING THE OBJECT AS YOU SAY MSM IS A DETOXIFIER. 

 ALSO, IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF ME CREATING FURTHER PROBLEMS TAKING BOTH.  AS NOW, I HAVE BEGUN TO COME OUT IN LOTS OF LUMPS ALONG WITH LIKE YOU SAY NOTHING BUT ITCHING, A FEELING OF HIGH AND THE SLEEP HAS NOW STOPPED. AGAIN. 

 I CAN RECOGNIZE A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU WENT THROUGH.  

BUT,  THE PAST FEW DAYS I HAVE BEEN REALLY BAD WITH WEAKNESS, EMOTIONAL, AND JUST PLAIN SORE.  I HAVE NOT GOT ANY RASHES WITH LITTLE CUTS THOUGH I AM VERY RED IN PLACES.

  LAST NIGHT I FELT I WAS FLYING. 

 I AM REALLY CONFUSED WHETHER TO CONTINUE WITH MSM UNTIL I AM FREE OF METHADONE OR, I JUST DON'T KNOW ANYMORE, I GET VERY SCARED AND DON'T KNOW IF I AM MAKING THINGS WORSE EVEN THOUGH THE ACHING HAS STOPPED, WHICH IS A BIG RELIEF.  

I AM JUST SO BAFFLED AS TO WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING.  I HAVE BEEN ON METHADONE FOR SO LONG ,COMING OFF SLOWLY IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN DO IT. AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW IT IS A VERY POWERFUL DRUG WHICH IS WELL INTO MY BODY FAT (WHAT THERE IS OF IT).

 

ANYWAY, I HAVE WROTE TO "NARCONON" AS YOU SUGGESTED AND I AM WAITING FOR A REPLY.  I AM SORRY IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG FOR ME TO GET BACK TO YOU.  BUT AFTER READING YOUR STUFF AND THEN WRITING TO NARCONON.  I WAS VERY WEAK, HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND? 

 

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE ABOUT THE WAY IN WHICH I TRY TO DESCRIBE TO PEOPLE HOW I FELT WHEN I FIRST TOOK MSM.  I FELT AS THOUGH AN ARMY HAD ENTERED MY BODY AND PUT EVERYTHING IN IT'S PLACE, AS THOUGH THERE WERE LITTLE PEOPLE TELLING OTHERS TO GO HERE AND THERE.  THOSE PLACES BEING AT THE JOINTS, WHERE THE PROBLEM ACTUALLY LAYS.  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, CAN YOU IMAGINE?  I ALSO FEEL I HAVE TO AGREE THAT MSM IS A DETOX, IT JUST FEELS SO WEIRD.

 

ANYWAY, THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO AND GETTING BACK SO QUICKLY, I WAS VERY GRATEFUL.

 

YOURS SINCERELY

 

Mary

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Dear Mary,

No, MSM would not clash with Methadone.

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It is as if some person comes into a doctor, with a gushing wound, bleeding to death, and then asks for help with his headache.

I cannot, in good conscious, recommend ANYTHING to you except what I know will work.

Yes, MSM is a detoxification substance, and yes it MIGHT help.

But, I have absolute certainty on the proper detox procedure you should go through -- and I cannot recommend, honestly, anything else.

Who has told you that "slowly" is the only way you can stop??  That person has given you very bad advice.

The Narconon program can help you and I will not try to help with some procedure that is not certain in my mind.

On their web page I saw phone numbers as well as addresses.  I would urge you to NOT wait for mail, but to call them and get further data there.

After years on methadone, and putting up with it, you are in a very important period of your life -- looking to get off.  There is a way, but I don't think there is any way that works other than Narconon.

let me know how it goes.

Karl

DEAR KARL,   

I RECEIVED THE WEDNESDAY MAGAZINE.  AND THANK YOU FOR IT, THOUGH I AM STILL TO READ QUITE A FAIR BIT, I NEED SOME TIME TO DIGEST IT ALL. VERY INTERESTING ALL THE SAME , THOUGH I HAVE NOT FINISHED. 

 

AS REGARDS "NARCONON"  I HAVE READ ALL THEY HAVE TO SAY AS REGARDS THEIR SYSTEM.  I REALLY FEEL THAT I MYSELF COULD NOT PUT MY BODY THROUGH SUCH A STRICT REGIME.  

I HAVE THEREFORE, WROTE AND TRIED TO EXPLAIN THIS.  

THE  PERSON WHO GAVE ME THE BAD ADVICE TO REDUCE THE METHADONE BY JUST 2MLS. WAS IN FACT,  MYSELF.  DAFT AS IT MAY SEEM TO YOU.  IT IS MY BODY I  FEAR FOR MOST.  I CAN FEEL MY HEART WORKING VERY HARD WITH THAT 2ML REDUCTION AND IT SCARES ME.  APART FROM THE HEART, THE PAIN IS JUST TOO MUCH.  I KNOW THIS SOUNDS PATHETIC AND, MAY VERY WELL BE.  BUT I MUST LISTEN TO MYSELF ALONG WITH TAKING ANY ADVICE AND INFORMATION I CAN FROM ANYONE WHO IS PREPARED TO GIVE ANY, SUCH AS YOURSELF.  FOR WHICH I AM TRULY GRATEFUL, 

YOU REALLY MUST BELIEVE THAT, I HOPE YOU DO ANYWAY.  YOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT INSPIRATION TO ME AND IN THE HUMAN RACE ITSELF.  IT IS NOT OFTEN YOU MEET PEOPLE WHO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY AS I FEEL YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME.  SUCH AS EVEN GETTING IN CONTACT PERSONALLY YOURSELF TO "NARCONON"  FOR ME!  THIS WAS VERY TOUCHING, BELIEVE ME.

 

AS REGARDS BULK MSM.  AS I EXPLAINED IN ONE OF MY LETTERS, I FELT THAT A BIG DOSE AT THIS POINT IS NOT THE CORRECT WAY FOR ME.  

THEY ARE HELPING ME GREATLY WITH 4000 ML.GRMS.  I AM SLEEPING AND NOT ACHING VERY MUCH.  BUT,  WHEN I DO EVENTUALLY GET OFF METHADONE AND ALSO, VALIUM (WHICH I HAD FORGOTTEN TO MENTION) WHICH I HAVE EVENTUALLY BEGAN TO REDUCE WITH A MASSIVE EASE , SO FAR!  AND THEY WERE ONE THING THAT I WAS EVEN TOO SCARED TO THINK ABOUT.  BUT I HAVE FOUND MYSELF FORGETTING TO TAKE THEM IN THE MORNING WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT JUST WAS NOT EVEN A CONSIDERATION AS IT SEEMED COMPLETELY UNFEASIBLE.  SO, THERE YOU GO.  IT'S EVEN MORE INCREDIBLE THAN I'D EVER IMAGINED.   I WAS GOING TO SAY "YOU'LL NEVER KNOW JUST HOW MUCH YOU HAVE HELPED) BUT, I BELIEVE YOU WILL HAVE HEARD THAT ON MANY, MANY OCCASIONS.

 

SO ONCE MORE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.  AND WHEN I AM OFF THOSE DRUGS, I WILL BE GOING FULL PELT INTO TAKING THE TOP DOSE OF MSM TO CLEAN MYSELF TOTALLY.  AND TO BUILD MYSELF UP.  AND, MAYBE I WILL EVEN BE ABLE TO HELP MY JOINTS ETC.  I WILL MOST CERTAINLY BE CONTACTING YOU THEN, SO TOUCH WOOD!   THIS IS A PROMISE.

 

ONE LAST THING,  I WILL BE GOING TO "THE MESEYSIDE ANNUAL DRUGS MEETING"  WHICH WILL BE FULL OF NOT ONLY THE MEDICAL PROFESSION BUT THE POLICE, PROBATION SERVICES ETC.  I WILL BE ARMED WITH SO MUCH INFORMATION ON MSM. AND WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT TO WHOEVER IS PREPARED TO LISTEN.  AS I FEEL MSM.  WILL BE A TREMENDOUS HELP IN THIS SIDE OF DRUG REHABILITATION, AS I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE AFFECT.  THOUGH SOMEHOW I FEEL THE STIMULANT ABUSERS MAY JUST GET THE BIGGEST HELP RIGHT FROM THE WORD GO OF USE, WHILE OPIATE ABUSERS MAY FIND IT A BIGGER HELP LATER ON.  THAT IS TO BE DISCOVERED.  SO, IF YOU EVER DO START MARKETING IN THE U.K.  MAY I JUST SAY THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY HELP IN YOUR APPROACH, AS I FOUND THAT YOUR PRESENTATION JUST WOULD NOT SUIT THE BRITISH PUBLIC.  THIS IS NOT MEANT AS AN INSULT, JUST CULTURES ARE DIFFERENT AND THE BRITISH ARE JUST NOT INTO THE SAME AS YOU AMERICANS.  PLEASE TAKE THAT AS A BIT OF ADVICE AND NOT CRITICISM  I CERTAINLY COULDN'T CRITICIZE A MAN LIKE YOU.

 

ANYWAY KARL, ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP AND CONCERN.  YOU HAVE BEEN A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.

 

YOURS MOST GRATEFULLY.

Mary

Dear Mary,

One thing you have said is absolutely right.  Each of us must make our own decisions.

You should never be forced to do anything.

The idea that you are making steady progress toward your goal is of paramount importance.

That you have the right direction to head in is also of vital importance.

The speed of that progress is less important than making progress toward YOUR own goal.

Jane, there is one other whole area of help I might provide.

I have found that people who have gotten stuck with methadone, or valium, ALWAYS have around them, individuals ("friends" ?) who put them down, invalidate them, tell them what to think and do.

Such people are more harmful than the drugs themselves.

These are most usually people who are family, or very close to you.

They seem to act in the guise of friendship and love, but what they do is make you prone to illness and willingness to do things to yourself (take drugs) that are harmful.

You will probably immediately know someone like this in your life.

THAT person is more your enemy than the drugs -- because THAT person affects you so, mentally, that you feel that drugs are the necessary answer.

I don't know who that person is in your life, but I know that such person exists.

You have only two choices about that person:

1.  Disconnect from him or her (often very difficult)

or

2.  Handle the situation so that they don't affect you so much -- usually this means you talk to them and say something like, "I ask that you stop from telling me that I am no good . . . ." or whatever.

There would be nothing more important for you to do than recognize and handle the source of the suppression in your life.

Let me know.

Karl

DEAR KARL, 

 

I RECEIVED YOUR REPLY AND I AM JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.  AND YES!  I HAVE HAD PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN MY LIFE.  THE BIGGEST OFFENDER BEING MY SON'S FATHER.  HE WAS THE MOST UNSCRUPULOUS PERSON I HAVE EVER KNOWN IN MY LIFE.  HE DID NOT CARE WHO HE TOOK DOWN WITH HIM.  AND HE ALSO HAD TO BE THE ONE CALLING ALL THE SHOTS.  HE WAS OVERPOWERING, EVEN WHEN WE EVENTUALLY SPLIT UP.  HE STILL WOULD NOT LET ME GO.  FOR MANY YEARS HE KEPT ME DOWN, MADE ME FEEL ALL THOSE THINGS YOU MENTIONED.  EVENTUALLY, I JUST JUMPED ON A TRAIN WITH MY SON, AND CAME BACK HOME TO MY FAMILY, THE ONLY PEOPLE I CAN NOW TRULY TRUST. THEY HAVE GIVEN AND LOTS OF SUPPORT AND STILL DO.  THEY ARE NOT INTERFERING, JUST HELPFUL AND THERE! ALWAYS

 

UNFORTUNATELY, MY SONS FATHER   STILL POPS IN AND OUT OF MY LIFE.  HE STILL TRIES TO ENTICE ME INTO TAKING THIS OR THAT.  BUT, I AM OLDER NOW, I AM STRONGER  AND I CAN JUST SAY NO!  WHICH IS A GREAT JOY TO ME.  HE TRIES TO USE NOT ONLY DRUGS, BUT MONEY TOO.  EVEN THOUGH HE DOES NOT SUPPORT HIS OWN SON FINANCIALLY.  EXCEPT, A GROSS AMOUNT OF POCKET MONEY FOR A 15YR OLD BOY  WHICH IS TO BASICALLY UNDERMINE ME .  THANKFULLY, HE WAS NOT AROUND WHEN MY SON WAS GROWING-UP, SO, MY SON HAS HAD THE INFLUENCE FROM ME AND MY FAMILY.  HE IS NOW WELL AWARE THAT HIS FATHER IS A VERY SICK MAN AS REGARDS HIS EMOTIONAL STATE AND HIS OPINION OF MONEY.  MONEY IS POWER TO HIM.  I AM NOT OF THAT OPINION.  TO ME, LOVE IS THE WAY AND SO  MY SON CAN SEE HIS FATHERS WRONGNESS.

 

AS FOR ANY OTHER PERSON TRYING TO TELL ME WHAT IS BEST FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE THAT.  I DO NOT SOCIALIZE, I HAVE NOT HAD THE STAMINA FOR FRIENDSHIPS AS FRIENDSHIPS ARE A TWO WAY THING.  AND I NEVER KNOW WHEN I WILL BE FEELING STRONG ENOUGH OR, ABLE ENOUGH TO BE THERE! FOR A FRIEND.  SO, THE ONLY OTHER CONTACT WITH SOCIETY  ON A CLOSE LEVEL, IS AT THE CLINIC I ATTEND FOR METHADONE/VALIUM.  THERE, I RECEIVE COUNSELING,

 

 ACUPUNCTURE (WHICH WORKS BRILLIANTLY WITH MSM. BY THE WAY). 

 I SEE A DR. EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS THERE.  ATTENDING IT EVERY 2WKS.  THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THE DRUGS PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY, HENCE, THE MEETING I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT.  WHICH, ME BEING INVITED, AS A SO CALLED PATIENT IS NOT USUALLY KNOWN OF. 

 

THERE IS NO LONGER ANY PERSON IN MY LIFE WHO TRIES OR EVEN GETS CLOSE ENOUGH TO ME TO ENCOURAGE ME TO DO THE THINGS I NO LONGER WANT NOR NEED TO DO.  I AM JUST NO LONGER INTERESTED.

 

I HAVE BECOME  SO MUCH STRONGER OVER THE PAST 10YRS.  STAYING ON METHADONE AND VALIUM IN ORDER TO STAY ON MY FEET TO BRING MY SON UP.  NOW HE IS OLDER, I HAVE THE DESIRE AND THE VISION TO KNOW WHAT I AM ABLE TO DO AND WHAT I AM NOT.

 

I DO KNOW, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AS I SAY THE SAME THING  TO LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE MYSELF.  DRUG ADDICTS DO NOT LIKE TO BE ON THEIR OWN, THE FEEL INSECURE WHEN THEY HEAR A FRIEND OR EVEN JUST SOMEONE THEY OCCASIONALLY TAKE DRUGS WITH SAYING THEY ARE STOPPING.  THEY TEND TO FEEL THEY ARE GETTING LEFT BEHIND OR SOMETHING, AND ENCOURAGE OR, TRY TO GET THE OTHER DRUG USER TO CONTINUE. 

 

YOU KNOW KARL, I HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE DRUG SCENE FOR SO MANY YEARS NOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYONE, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO HAVE CHANGED ANYWAY.  AND I AM BEST OFF THIS WAY.

 

I HOPE THIS HELPS CLEAR UP ANY FEARS YOU MAY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT MY PROBLEM.  I AM NO LONGER ABLE TO BE CONTROLLED OR MANIPULATED THE WAY IN WHICH I WAS.  BRINGING UP MY SON HAS HELPED ME BE STRONGER.  THAT IS WHERE IT ALL BEGAN.  ANOTHER PERSONS LIFE, AN INNOCENT.  THAT IS MY STRENGTH.  THAT IS THE WAY IN WHICH I FOUND MYSELF

 

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR CONCERN, BUT REALLY KARL, I HAVE COME INTO MYSELF, FOUND MYSELF.  AND WHEN I GET "CLEAN" I WILL REALLY BE ON A ROLL.  AND YOU WILL HAVE PLAYED A PART IN THAT.  THANK YOU!

 

YOURS TRULY.

Karl, 

 

sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you since the weekend.  

I've been quite busy with going to the Merseyside Annual drug meeting.  Trying to put some things together.  That being MSM.  I did manage to get it to someone who has apparently been going over to the states to see how they are doing things over there.  Hence, Acupuncture.  

Anyway, I have to say it was a big let down.  Apart from getting my message about MSM. over to the female who is in charge of the Acupuncture, hopefully, she will read the information and realize there is a place for it in drug rehabilitation.

 

With regards to what you were saying about drug councilors and clinics, your absolutely right.  I often find myself worrying about THEM, themselves, some of them are in such a mess.

Over here, our councilors have all been addicts of one sort or a kind.  And the bunch we have now are new.  They are very young and quite immature, though you do tend to get the odd one or two who are good and sincere about their work. 

As basically, WORK is all it is.  I've been going to clinics for many years now, so have no illusions as regards the people who work there. 

 

YES! all they are really there for, IS to get their clients off drugs.  And, i guess as far as the clinic is concerned or the government, that is the goal. More so now I might add. Though I do find it sad for the man who began this side of drug abuse and it's clinics, as he is a really good man.  He believes in the same things as you as regards help and support.  Unfortunately, the staff don't see it the same way, well not very many.

 

So, i do understand what you are saying, but for now, until i reach my goal of coming off, i am going to just have to carry on until i no longer need them.  Also, I'd just like to say that, even though i have been aware of "Assertiveness" for a while now, i find it hard to do, i am just not that way.  I'm more the kind of person to let the other get sick and tired of getting nowhere with me.  

My son's farther was on the phone to me the other day and, i was so pleased with myself in the way in which i handled him. I do believe you were whispering in my ear or, standing beside me.  I don't think he will be bothering me for a wee while now.  But, you know karl, with some people, you just cannot say things like "Please don't talk to me like that as it upsets me" or whatever. As some people are just plain old bad. Nasty and cruel even.  He is such a person. and is the kind to put the phone down on you, wait a month or so, then come back in the hope i will be in a different mood. 

Normally, that would have worked.  Not anymore though, i have put him in his place a number of times now, and i am getting better, even enjoying it. No! that's not true. I find it very sad to be honest.  

I always thought i could help him but, you cant help a psychopath can you?

 

So, karl, I am doing fine, feel fine with MSM. My anxiety level is so much better, i feel i can handle things so much more affectively and in general i feel i am doing really well.

 

It wont be long now till i will be back to my old self, whoever she is.

 

So once again, i would just like to say thanks.  And you may or may not be hearing from someone to do with "Merseyside Drug Clinics"  Hope so!

 

yours

Mary

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Dear Mary,

 

It sounds to me that you are moving along just fine.

 

I would rather see you move more rapidly on getting off Methadone, but you have a logical view of things.

 

The little advice I can further offer would be that you can help yourself with MSM, but also by adding sauna and exercise -- since you can't get rid of the drugs in your system without sweating.  There is much, much more to the Narconon program.  I went on it for 40+ days and have helped hundreds of people get off drugs.

 

But you have the most important characteristic -- you want to get off the stuff.

 

Keep me informed on your progress.

 

I will always answer.

 

Karl Loren

Dear karl,

Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you. But, even today trying to return your last e-mail and, learn how to use the computer a bit better. I tried to do what you did by writing between paragraghs. Inevitably, it all went wrong and i've ended-up wiping it, though i have got it on a file.

I dont know if, when i've been replying to you, you've been getting

ALL! the e-mails we've sent. Could you let me know please?

Anyway, as regards as getting into a sauna, be it hot or, just warm, i just cannot even think about it. They really freak me out, a phobia  I guess. In fact, it was when i saw they used a sauna at "Narconon" that hit me straight off. I just couldnt handle them. I do understand the reason and how it helps. It was something that lots of friends used to

do when i lived in Edinburgh.

As for exercise! another of my hates, though i do love sports. I'd prefer to get my exercise that way, though i'd need to do it very carefully. Mind you i'm not particuarly ready for that just yet.

As for coming off "Methadone" quicker, then yeah! I agree. I've serously been thinking of doing it faster with 5mls as opposed to just 2.  I really feel i could do it now. My joints dont hurt so much lately and, i've also already stopped taking one of my "Diazepam", which i just happened to do because i found i was getting up and forgetting to take them. So, it's obvious i can do it without too much trouble. I'm getting there....

You say you have helped lots of people get off drugs.  Is that the "Narconon" way?

I really feel i just could not do that.  I hate to leave my son Julian. It's only ever been him and myself and, my family. But, Julian and I are very tight. It hurts. He's a sensitive wee soul.

There's also the matter of things like money. Something I have not wanted to mention. I cant just pack up and go away. I've alot of obligations to my family which makes it hard to even begin to think about leaving them for any length of time. I dont want to, it's not my personality. And I know i have to think about myself and all that. My family certainly wouldnt stop me from helping myself, they'd want me to. But, I just cant do it. Foolish pride and all that.

Any advice via the "Net" is brilliant, as i mentioned when i last spoke to my sons father (you whispering in my ear, was the affect, which helped). I just feel i need to be free to do, whatever?

So, as much as i appreciate "Narconons" help and support. I'm going to have to do this my way. I really hope you dont get offended, as that is not my intention at all. I feel I must leave "Narconon" out. I couldnt do it that way, I really can't put myself through that, it's punishment.

Last thing, diet! I'm a "veggie "and have been for years now. 9 yrs old actually. I get drinks off my "Dietician" that have lots of Vitimins & Minerals, which will hopefully be getting into my systym now with the help of MSM. I have got a good diet though. I've realised my youthful mistakes. Hope this gives some view as to where i'm coming from and what i'm like as a person.

So, for now, I shall leave you. And I do hope you hear from someone over here from the "Merseyside Drugs Coucil". I passed on some info. But, i think i told you that.

I'll keep in touch and let you know how i'm getting on. And Thanks again, you have been brilliant. Sorry this is so long, i'll be taking up all your space.

There are two roles I can take, at least, with someone I write to:

1.  Advice and help

and

2.  Judging on behavior and actions.

Normally I try not to judge much.

But, you have indicated SO MANY things that you are doing that are self-destructive that I can no longer offer help, other than to let you know that you are destroying yourself.

Do I understand from below that you are still caring for your son?  Is he still on drugs?  You cannot help him while YOU are on drugs, and you cannot help yourself as long as HE is on drugs and living with you.

Your choices are not pleasant, but they are the choices you have to make.

Karl Loren

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