Mary's Deadly Diet For Diabetes

I, Karl Loren, offer to answer every personal letter I receive, personally. I get many letters and enjoy answering them. Most of these letters ask for health advice in some way or another. It is not unusual for me to give some answer, but to ask the writer more questions and respond to the answers to those questions.

I've found that people are usually very eager to engage in a dialogue with me, and when the dialogue is about their health, or their diet, or their medicines -- they are particularly eager to tell me what's going on -- and to report back what they think about what I may have suggested.

I've found that if I just send out information about diet I don't get much back, but if I first ASK the person, "What is your diet?" I get a flood of data back. Then, seeing the diet I can make specific comments, and ask them to read the section that YOU are reading right now.

This page is part of the more than 3000 pages I've published about the Karl Loren Diet. I rather doubt many people will read all these pages! But, you can read the main article, (click here), and that page has links to hundreds of other pages -- some of those, in turn, have links to many more.

So, I will often "give advice" on diet by suggesting a person read the main article, but I often also give them a reference to one page (such as this one) where I have something quite specific to their interests.

I copy in below, the actual verbatim messages I received from Mary, and my responses.

Mary first wrote to me, asking about my oral chelation formula. She listed lots of medical drugs she was taking and mentioned that within a few more days she was going to visit her doctor again and that he had told her that he would prescribe for her an anti-depressant drug.

Well, I have an established policy that I won't sell any of my vitamins to any person who is taking a psychiatric drug. Click here to get the full explanation for why I feel this is necessary for me.

I have another strong policy -- when someone has what appears to be a very complex health problem, is taking many medications, and seems desperate -- I announce that the more complex the situation, the more simple my advice will be.

Invariably these very complicated health problems are exactly the wrong thing for me to address in detail. Perhaps a doctor would do that?? I don't. I suggest to this complicated case that only a simple solution should be used.

That simple solution almost always starts with my urging the person to drink more water.

Then, my next action is to ASK what is their diet. I don't tell them, first, what they should be eating, but I ASK what they ARE eating.

I get back the most amazing catalogs of junks foods, candy, coffee, and excess carbohydrates -- you can't imagine how terrible these diets are -- of these very sick people.

You can see that PERHAPS my vitamins would help this person, but the much more honest thing for me to do is to address the most basic of their health problems.

So, I did this with Mary -- her symptoms and condition were terrible. You might be a bit surprised at the sheer volume of communication involved here -- you are welcome to get the same!!!!

From this point downward, Mary's words are in black type and mine are in blue.

karl

Dear Mary, Ah! Mary,

So, I am now responding after reading your message. The earlier response was to get you something in a hurry -- now I have more time.

Congratulations on deciding to stay away from psychiatric drugs.

-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 9:21 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Dear Karl,
Thank you for your reply. I tried phoning you this am but I had
to leave a message. I was into your book until 3 AM because I was so ill I
thought I would probably die last night. I keep telling them, I feel like
someone is blowing up a balloon inside my chest or upper abdomen and it feels
like it gets tighter all the time. They don't seem to listen. I agree with
you about the anti-depressant and I am not going to have it. If I were
depressed, I would be happy to approach him and tell him so. But I am ill.
I want to know and you can answer by email how long would I be on the Life
Glow Plus before I could discontinue the anticholesterol drug Zocor safely.

[Karl:] This is mostly a medical question. First, no matter how harmful Zocor might be, it will not greatly interfere with the oral chelation.

Next, the best way to make this decision is on your own -- consulting as you need to and wish, with your doctor or anyone else. Ultimately you are the ONLY one responsible for your health -- not the doctor, not me.

You can get whatever data you can get, and advice too, but ultimately you make the decision.

Mechanically I usually suggest that you reduce your use of various drugs, slowly, not abruptly. If you change only one thing at a time (keeping all else uniform -- but reducing one drug) -- and there is no adverse effect -- you can then continue to reduce that drug.

If you feel some adverse reaction to smaller dosage of some drug, then put it back if you wish.

Even if you trust me on this, it is far better to trust yourself -- learn more if you wish, but be your own counsel!

I read about the Mevacor in your book and I am sure they are kin. Chapter
Nine made my hair stand on ends. Somehow I came to think that you are doing
this so people will know.
[Karl:] Indeed!

You say some powerful things. One thing that bothered me is that the one man wrote and said he had a tough time taking his meds and the chelation also,

[Karl:] That is not typical.

I think I will be in the same boat. The stomach seems to burn badly (maybe an ulcer or something from long term aspirin therapy)

[Karl:] Long term aspirins? Bad news, but not deadly.

Drink more water. Tell me about your diet.

I wanted to tell you that my heart Dr. warned me on my first visit to him five or six years ago about chelation. I had not even thought of it before reading your book. Now I am tempted to have an egg, or two, which I have not had for five years.

[Karl:] I often eat 6 to 10 eggs per day -- raw.

But, I am not ready to advise you on diet until I hear what your current diet is.

I can tell you that whoever tells you eggs are bad for you?? That is a person to avoid -- he means you harm, even if he is only ignorant.

I am on a diabetic diet also,

[Karl:] Ah! Tell me!

The "official" diet of the American Diabetic Association is EXACTLY the wrong diet for a diabetic. I have about 3000 pages on this subject -- won't even tell you where yet -- tell me what you are eating.

it is just terrible and hard to lose weight because of the carbs.
[Karl:] Of course!

I am half way through your book and feel it is all true, because of your extensive documentation. I will not accept the anti-depressant when I go on Tuesday.
If you would rather answer by email please do so, it makes no difference.

Karl:]  You may certainly call. I do well by eMail too.

  I
guess what I want to know basically is will it irritate my stomach to be on
both and how soon can I stop the zocor.

[Karl:] Mostly answered above. Your stomach needs attention, but whether you stop or start some drug is not where the answer lies -- it will be more basic.

Water, more of and diet, better than now.

Then, perhaps, some oral chelation -- but first the basics!

Warm Regards,

Karl Loren



My last cholesterol was 157 but my good is only 39 and my bad was under 100. The assure me if I stop the Zocor it will soar because I am making too much in my body.

  Regards, Mary

I am eating a crumpet for breakfast, have been using fat free I can't believe its not butter, and a slice of fat free cheese, one-half cup of orange juice, 1 cup of coffee with powdered skim milk. (I never use whole milk, not even 2%.)

The crumpet is a 13gm of carb so counts as one, the orange juice is a carb and the milk in the coffee is a carb.

For lunch I have 2 pieces whole wheat toast and 2 ounces of chicken or turkey breast, one-half banana.

The bread and banana are my three carbs. For supper I have a three inch baked potato, 2 ounces boiled chicken or broiled fish, 1/2 cup veggies plain, and a small salad with fat free dressing.

If my sugar is ok at night I have a few wheat crackers (reduced fat) and some fat free cream cheese or 2 spoons of peanut butter. If the sugar is too high I sometimes have just 12 strawberries.

They tell me that if I eat 3 ounces of chicken that would count as one carb. I have drinking a half gallon distilled water daily for about a week. I have cut out one medicine and was taken off the cardiazem two weeks ago. I thought if I started the chelation, and took the Zocor every other day that I would be able to get off it in a month or so.

I feel like I need it soon. My only other alternative is to try to go to the Cleveland Clinic for a second opinion and I feel this would be a waste of my time. Could I start the vitamins now in a smaller dosage and increase them as I see how I do? Or do you think my problem is too complex for the vitamins?

The diet above is a sample, some days for dinner it is just a cup of beans and 1/3 cup of rice. That is 3 carbs.

Karl,

I have a couple of questions,

Which of your formulas would you think I should order. I live on social security and a small pension but I could afford the more expensive one for a time, if it would help me more. So answer me how you really feel that would benefit me most. If I tolerate them
well starting at five a day, I thought I should order the better formula but I will leave that up to you, because you know them best. #2 question, someone asked me who is 77 and just has arthritis and urinary frequency, otherwise healthy, if your formula would help them as a preventative sort of thing?

and if so which would they order? and how many would they take a day?

I have one more question: I am supposed to be on 2000 mg of calcium a day because of the osteo test I had done, and I take a multivitamin daily, would I be able to stop taking the multivitamin if I am on yours and continue the calcium, I take 2 Caltrates and one 500 mg Calcium every day.

Sorry I have so many questions

Mary

Dear Mary

Never to be sorry for many questions.

The Life Glow Plus is fine for your start -- much less expensive than Super Life Glow. If you have plenty of money, and want the best -- get Super Life Glow.

But, you, Mary, are going to have much more improvement from diet change than from using my vitamins -- so start with your biggest effort on diet change and just add in the LGP.

Yes either of these formulas is BEST taken as a preventive. Who knows how much blockage he has? Or how fast it is increasing -- more than half of the deaths in the US are from heart disease, and another big hunk from cancer. When you understand this formula you'll see that it is a powerful preventive for both heart disease AND cancer.

Between LGP and SLG the first criteria is money. If you were going to leave a lot of money to your children, I would suggest you spend it on yourself first -- get what you can afford.

Calcium? Multivitamin? You can undoubtedly stop the multivitamin when you are on my formula.

The calcium you are taking is not helpful in preventing or reversing bone loss -- the form of calcium in my Bone Dense Calcium is the only one proven to actually add bone mass. it is expensive, but so is osteoporosis, death by.

It isn't quite clear what type of calcium you are taking -- but it is undoubtedly NOT "Calcium microcrystalline hydroxy appatite."

Start with your diet changes -- really get into those. Add in LGP to improve your all-around vitamin situation and improve blood flow -- later you can get my calcium.

Cordially,

Karl Loren

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 9:23 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Your diet

Karl,
I just found a question that you asked me that I have not answered, you
asked who advised me on the diet.

They sent me to a dietician nurse at St. Elizabeth Hospital to talk to me about my diet and she advised me.

Also the Dr. said 1200 calories and she left out as much as she could of fats because of the blockage in the arteries.

I read a lot of your material last night but have not come to the foods you suggest yet, so I am going back to it today.

And I still have about a third of the book to read. I am still
curious how I can get unheated fat, since I am sure I can not eat raw meat or
eggs, but can eat raw veggies.

I know butter is unheated, but if I heat it to fix egg in would it become bad or unhealthy for me? I need to find the foods you suggest in the diet.

Mary

Dear Mary,

Who is "they" who "sent you" somewhere?

It was a nurse who gave you absolutely wrong advice. Her advice on eggs was evil -- there is no other word for it.

Fat in your diet does NOT cause fat in the arteries -- this is just false information. It IS true that millions of people believe this to be true, because thousands of doctors tell this same lie -- but it is still not the truth just because lots people believe it.

But, some doctor said 1200 calories was all you should eat??? When you are sick you need at least 150 grams of protein per day!

I don't suggest specific foods. I do suggest that most people don't eat enough proteins -- you don't!

The government maliciously changed food recommendations some years ago to increase the recommended amount of carbohydrates, and reduce proteins. This diet causes heart disease and diabetes -- it is hard to grasp the magnitude of the evil being done to people by these government actions -- and behind them are the drug companies.

Why?

Because the more sick you get, the more drugs you consume. They don't cure anything, but they make lots of profits for the drug companies.

You think of much of this as "free" because of insurance -- and so-called "health insurance" is just a guarantee of sickness.

Mary, there is a great deal of reversal of beliefs you will have to go through before you can become healthy -- it won't be easy because you have been "taught" by dozens of people that you trust -- and that teaching has been wrong.

It is YOU who have selected them to listen to -- so that is even a bigger job you now have -- to find more honest people to listen to -- to get your facts from.

Frankly, I am not entirely optimistic for you. I know that my suggestions can help you -- what I don't know is whether you have the ability to overcome the lies you have swallowed!

Unheated fat? Don't try to do step 100 when you haven't done step 10. Take this on a gradual gradient -- get off sugar completely -- get off junk foods -- get off sodas. Improve your diet a lot before you even start thinking of "unheated fat."

Well the terrible truth is that milk is heated when it is pasteurized, thus butter made from such milk is already full of free radicals. But, when you use butter to fry foods, you make it worse. You are right.

Better would be soft-boiled or poached eggs -- you see, though, that you are trying to fail by indicating that you can't do step 100 =-= when you haven't done step 10.

This is common in my experience -- and needs to be addressed.

So, it is not worth anything to suggest specific foods. You must learn the difference between proteins and carbohydrates -- increase proteins, decrease carbs. Amongst the carbs, get off of processed types, go to more complex carbs.

Don't make it so difficult that you will have an excuse for failure.

Good luck,

Karl

-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:59 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Your diet

Dear Karl,
I know that I have a lot to overcome, but believe me I have an
open mind, I have been sick enough for long enough to have lost faith in what
they say. So if I begin eating more proteins and my cholesterol does not go
up high, I would be happy to say the proof is in the pudding. I know, no
pudding around here !!! But seriously having worked in the medical profession
and having seen a lot, I am ready for a change. Have you not written a book
with your diet in it? I have read a lot of what is on your web site, but
have not found a definite diet. So for now I am going to try to eat more
protein, I am drinking the water, and I am going to eat the veggies and try
to find out about complex carbs. What do you think of fat free cheese?

Dear Mary,

What if your cholesterol level DOES GO UP?? If you are reading my book, you see that "high cholesterol" is a false disease invented by the drug companies solely to sell cholesterol - lowering drugs. That's all.

Millions of Americans believe the lie about "high cholesterol." It is a lie.

So, if your cholesterol goes up? It is not the cause of heart disease.

No, my diet information is all on the web. I find the web far more satisfying to write for, than print.

No definite food suggestions. That is right -- but much more important are the principals.

For instance, if you read my entire article, how about TV? Are you watching lots of that? I consider that a part of "diet."

Fat Free Cheese? Get over your worry about fat.

It is not all that bad.

The real cheese, fat, is the most satisfying source of taste sensation. You will have a great deal more taste satisfaction with fats than any other type of food.

live it up, Mary!

karl

-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:46 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Thank you for all your answers. Since I am supposed to have 2,000 mg of
calcium, how many of your calcium formula would I have to take?
Bet you start grinding your teeth when you see another message from me.

LOL
Sorry.

Regards, Mary

Dear Mary,

The point I'm making here is that worrying about tiny things is not worth -- when you have big things to put your attention on.

Keep taking the calcium you are taking.

It may not do you any good -- but it is probably just as good as the advice was to take it!! If you see what I mean.

No, I don't grind my teeth, Mary, ooops, Mary, because I can only be successful in my goals and business if I can communicate effectively with people.

There are many people like you -- but most of them never write to me -- so I look forward to communicating with you -- but the bottom line will only be your glowing success story of improved health.

Now, it happens that my calcium fomula is on a 50% discount sale through the end of February.

But, 50% is half of the normal $70 price for a one month supply, of less than 2000 mg of calcium per day.

Read my article at:

http://www.oralchelation.com/calcium/boneupa.htm

You'll be reading a lot!

I must say again -- work on some of the easy things -- diet is number one. Add in some exercise. How do do sleeping -- easy to get to sleep -- sleep soundly -- wake up feeling better than you did when you went to sleep?

Karl

Hi again Karl,

Do you think I can still have a weight loss with the fat in
my diet?

I mean if I do not go overboard with it?

You asked about TV, well I watch the news at night and once in awhile a decent movie, of which there are not many. Once in awhile I watch Mash, no soaps, no talk shows, just a couple of comedies on Mon. night. Not much TV at all.

I am on the computer some with friends and interested in genealogy. I have to take one half sleeping pill to sleep, and if I get up at five AM to go to the bathroom, I
often cannot go back to sleep, even though I went to bed at one or two am.

No fun. I used to be able to sleep eight hours with no problem. I think all
the meds keep me jittery.

I want to see his face on Tuesday when I tell him I refuse to take any anti-depressants. We have been close friends for forty years and I worked in his office for eight years, and he always wants to tell me what is wrong instead of me telling him. So I FULLY intend to set him straight on that matter on Tuesday because I don't have a single sign of
depression.

Got to go drink some more water.

Bye for now, will call for vitamins tomorrow and also some calcium.

Regards Mary

Dear Mary,

I think you continue to worry about step 100 when you haven't gotten to step 10. Losing weight? Not to worry about that for now. You need to get feeling better -- that may add some pounds. So what!

Have you tried melatonin for sleep? I don't know what your "sleeping pill" is, but there are many non-drugs aides to sleep.

Drinking a powdered calcium, in a drink of water, at night, is very relaxing. There is a commercial product called "Calm" that is good. I often drink a cup of warm calcium and a cup of warm magnesium (for balance of the two) at night.

Small amount of exercise just before bed is great -- taking a shower or bath just before bed is great.

Sleeping pills? not good.

My advice about that doctor, on Tuesday. Let it go. You will never change his mind and all you will do is get him angry at you.

It would even be better to say nothing -- but you will do as you wish, I know. Let me know how it works out.

Karl

-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:25 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Questions

Karl,
I am going to be ordering vitamins also for my husband that I
mentioned to you yesterday.

Since he has only urinary problems and some arthritis in his knees, how many should he take per day? Also should he be on shark cartilage also or is it in the vitamins also?

I will also be ordering your book to be sent to his daughter in Indiana.
One more question, I am using distilled water that you told my daughter I
should use. We can get either distilled or steamed distilled, which one is
better?

I think that is all I need to know for awhile and thank you. I read your
whole book in one week. That's pretty good for an old lady.

Regards,
Mary

Dear Mary,

If you are ordering Life Glow Plus (good idea for both of you) either of you could take full dosage or start small and increase.

You, Mary, I have suggested might want to start with fewer and increase gradually.

There is no reason you husband couldn't start with 20! but, there is no problem, either, starting with 5 or 10.

There is not a great deal of significance on what you start with.

20 per day would be the regular dose for everyone.

Water? Near the end of my book I answer the question of "what type of water??"

The answer is that it is far more important to drink lots of water than it is to worry about what type of water.

Dr. Batmanjeligh (?) who did the research on water, did his research in a prison in Iran -- the water there would have been terrible.

Water quantity is far more important than water quality -- even tap water, one gallon per day -- is better than a few ounces of fancy water.

AFTER you have handled the quantity requirement, the type of water is still not very important. Distilled is fine, Steam distilled? I have no idea that this is "better."

Filtered? Fine.

Water is what you want.

You aren't so old!! I'm 69!

Warm Regards,

Karl

-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:16 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Hi Karl,
Well I kept my Dr's appointment today and told him right away that
I was not going to accept any anti-depressants.

Good for you!

He said he would not argue with me but thought I would feel better if I did. I had mentioned the chelation to him before and he asked me where I was going to get it, and said it has never been proven to help anyone, that is why it has not been
approved.

This is the typical arrogant attitude of an man who is not only ignorant, but refuses to learn the truth.

He said if it did help people it would have been approved.

I told him I did not think so that the drug companies would prevent it from being
approved. He did not answer me.

Doctors are hearing more and more of this type of comment -- they are actually very worried about it, but have no clue as to what to do.

You might be interested that on the 6PM news last night, they had a segment on IV Chelation and showed a Dr. in Kentucky giving it to a dozen or so patients. They said they could not show his face because it was black market because it is not allowed in Kentucky.

I doubt it is illegal in Kentucky. You can go to

http://www.acam.org

and enter in a zip code for any area of the United States, and find an intravenous chelation doctor near there -- there are well over 1,000 of these doctors practicing in the US today.

But they let some of the patients talk and they all had glowing reports on
how much their health has improved. And the channel it was on did not make
any bad comments about it, in fact they were complimentary. But I did not
know a Dr. in Ky gives it.

I know there is a Dr. Jim Smith in Ohio that does and they interviewed him last night on that same program, He had glowing reports from his patients also and must have had a dozen or so sitting there all with their IV going. They could show his face because it is allowed in Ohio I think.

It is just too hard for me to go so far for it with the handicapped foster child I have who has lived with me for 15 years. She has a G/J tube for feedings and is blind, and quadraparesis, due to being dealt a massive blow to the head at the age of 5 months, by her stepfather. She is a beautiful girl but getting heavy and I have been so ill, trying to care for her.

Mary, this may be hard for you to accept, but there is every possibility that you cannot care for this girl until you get your own health in better shape. You owe it to HER to get in better shape yourself.

My doc asked me why I was drinking so much water and I told him to wash
out all the toxins he has put in there for decades.

Maybe there is hope for me, do you think?

Yes!

I am waiting patiently for the vitamins I ordered yesterday or the day before.

Let me know how it goes!

Regards, Mary

-----Original Message-----
From: @aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:19 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Hi Karl,

Yes, I received your message.

I started with only four vitamins on Fri. because it was late afternoon when I received them. Sat. Sun and today I have had 12 each day will go to 15 in a couple of days, then to 20.

I was thinking about stopping my water pill, my feet only swell in the summer
anyway. What do you think, I know you don't make those decisions for us,
just wanted your input. I am drinking about 2/3 gallon of distilled water
daily.

Of course I am still ill, and the old ticker is jumping out of my chest (it feels like it) so I hope when I get up to 20 maybe after a couple weeks I will feel better. I don't know why your messages would have been returned, sorry.

Regards, Mary

Dear Mary,

Water pills are not good news.

If you feel comfortable in stopping, or reducing, that would be fine.

I'll look and resend any that seem to have been sent already -- and you may have already received them.

Karl

What do you think will happen now!

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